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danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...	Hello from Spain and questions about my first 98K rifle.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 (11/11/08 14:18:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hi all. I´m a new Mauser 98K fan. Always I liked that rifle and finally have decided to take a nice piece of history. I have spent several weeks searching for a German 98k rifle. First thought in purchasing it in the Mitchell´s Mauser website and looks like he has a really nice rifles... but he don´t wants to sell overseas. Here in Spain there is also a little market for this rifles. Looks like most of their are the Preduzece 44 captured a remanufactured by Zastava. Much other are M48. Looks like since I posted a WTB post in a Spanish forum the luck smiles me. A guy has offered me a 100% german 98K without Yugoslavian markings and with all the Nazi markings. Awesome since this is the first one I watch 100% german marked. Every part has a matching serial number however the number in the rear sight base has a different one. Other than the sight all parts matches. Did I should worry about the mismatching in that sight? I ask because I´m very fussy with the collectables and would love to own one with all the same numbers but becuase all I have readed it is frequent 98K rifles with parts mismatching in serial numbers. The rifle likes me a lot and I think I´ll be able "to live" with that sight. Maybe it broke and it was swapped from a rifle for spares in the past... who knows. This rifle came from Germany not too time ago. Another issue is a pair of screwed drills. Do you think I will be able to find a scope mounts with a 100% fitting in the same place? I assume I should make another two screwed drills in the other end of the action. Both holes are covered with black soft cement (removable). Owner has told me the rifle was made in 1943. Here there are some more pictures: I´d be gratefull to listen your opinion. Thanks. Daniel
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#1	[-]
Posts: 2 (11/11/08 14:23:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I forgot to ask in the previous post about the rifles with white color stamp markings. Did it came that way from factory or did it to be a custom adittion from the owner to make the markings more readables? Just the example:
Burt		#2	[-]
Posts: 1962 (11/11/08 14:46:58) Admin Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The white was added for you to see the stampings. You will have to wait for other members here to explain the drill holes...I just don't know that much on why, when or where the K98k rifles were drilled or scoped. Sorry.
armyrat1970		#3	[-]
Posts: 1395 (11/12/08 03:17:51) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Excuse me for my ignorence but your pics don't all seem to be from the same weapon. "If a man has nothing greater to believe in than himself, he is a very lonely man".
Burt		#4	[-]
Posts: 1964 (11/12/08 03:34:17) Admin Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Me thinks the bottom picture was added to ask about the white lettering.
armyrat1970		#5	[-]
Posts: 1396 (11/12/08 03:43:09) Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hummmmm "If a man has nothing greater to believe in than himself, he is a very lonely man".
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#6	[-]
Posts: 3 (11/12/08 04:39:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, the bottom picture was taken from this same website
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#7	[-]
Posts: 4 (11/15/08 13:23:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have been informed the two screwed holes are not for a turret scope mounts. Did anybody knows for what they are??
PREDEUZECE 44		#8	[-]
Posts: 26 (12/02/08 14:40:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Congratulations on finding a rifle with mostly matching serial numbers. Your bcd/43 rifle was made by a German company called Gustloff, near Weimar, in Germany. the 43 indicates the year it was manufactured. Here is a little info on this manufacturer and year: " 1943 was a very interesting year for the collector of Gustloff made K98k's. Waffenamts remaind the same as those used in 1942. Stocks and handguards continued to be made of laminate and all production seems to have gone to the Army. Gustloff continues to use contract barrels. Phosphate parts appeared in 1943. The known serial number range is from 1187 to 5183ff with an estimated production run of 325,000 rifles. Among the variations of 1943 are the Mauser Oberndorf assembled rifles using a "bcd" receivers (all waffenamt "135" proofs on a "bcd" rifle), and the commercially proofed eagle "N" K98k rifles (made by "bcd" for use by unknown government agencies with No Waffenamts). The commercially marked versions have eagle "N" proofed receivers and barrels, their stocks are numbered externally on the bottom rear spine, and the rifles are found with many small parts either mismatched or unnumbered." You have a very nice rifle but the previous owners have sanded the wood and refinished it and it appears that the metal has been reblued. A wartime rifle would not have had the buttplate nor the bolt disassembly disk in the stock blued. Wartime stocks were not highly polished due to their tendency to reflect light - not a good thing on the battlefield. The front barrel band, the band immediately behind the front site would have been what is called a speed milled band and would've been solid without the "H" profile. The stock appears to be not original to this rifle. It appears to be a walnut stock that has been heavily sanded and if original, it has had all of its wartime scraps and scars removed. Cannot imagine what the drilled and tapped holes on the rear bolt housing were for except some type of sighting device. When you take the rifle apart, if the stock is an original wartime stock, you should find some markings in the barrel channel and under the upper hand guard, you may also find a lot number stamped or written under the butt plate but at some factories this practice was stopped in 1943. Also you may find some barrel stamps under the woodline on the bottom side of the barrel which may indicate who manufactured the barrel or the steel for the barrel. Again congratulations!!! Bert
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#9	[-]
Posts: 5 (12/02/08 23:10:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If I want to dismantle the wood stock, did to exist any risk to scratch the barrel when removing the H profile and the other band?? How should I proceed? Thanks a lot for all the info you provide me
Burt		#10	[-]
Posts: 1976 (12/03/08 05:08:36) Admin Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	disassemble instructions http://www.surplusrifle.c...disassembly2006/index.asp I looked at an Arisaka 99 at a gun show that had a small scope mounted at the rear...the holes would have been about the same as the ones in your Mauser. There was no front base, just the rear mount that held a small metal scope on. No markings that I could find as the whole thing was pretty banged up. Last Edited By: Burt 12/03/08 05:19:43. Edited 1 times.
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#11	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/06/08 09:13:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Burt for sharing with me the disassemble instructions. I definetly want to cover the holes and keep the rifle as original as possible. Here in Spain I know a guy able to cover the holes soldering, then smoothing and hot blueing. He promised it would be unperceptible without a magnify glass. Do you think guys I´d be able to unscrew the barrel from the receiver or did it to be a hard job that you don´t recomend? Predeuzece 44, the "H" profile has same serial number as the other parts but don´t know about the walnut stock. I should remove the barrel and chck the housing over the stock.
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#12	[-]
Posts: 7 (12/10/08 16:28:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, I have all dismantled and can say the walnut stock has a different serial number however as statted, the H profile has the same serial number. Both the wood and the metal looks restored to my eyes. Sad to say the firing pin has another different number too, as much as the rear sight that has two different numbers in the base and in the rail. I´m curious now about the bolt. It has the extractor platted in a bronze color. I have seen a S42/G with the same way extractor that matches with the bolt stop too in my rifle. It is YouTube! What this bronze color so rare means?? Another easy question. Did you guys has the serial number in the butt plate too. Mine has the same number also. Looks like the next parts are original to the rifle because the 2131 serial number stamped: Barrel and receiver, bolt, trigger guard, magazine plate, butt plate, belt band, H profile band. With different serial number there are the complete walnut stock, firing pin and the complete rear sight. Definitly I am looking for a complete stock in eBay or anywhere but don´t know what to do with the butt plate. Did I polish it to bright finish? I am looking for an unmarked rear shight too. If anybody sells this parts I´m open to listen.
sargeast		#13	[-]
Posts: 7 (12/19/08 14:32:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The bronze or plum colored extractors are not rare, actually they are the most common. It has something to do with the metal they made them out of and the bluing process, so they slowly turned brown. This color is correct for your K98. I'm surprised the "H" band serial number matches, it makes me suspect someone may have ground off the original number and re-stamped it, or otherwise traded out a matching # band from another K98. Closeup photos might show us more. The butt plate should be "in the white" meaning no bluing. The easiest way to remove this is to soak in vinegar for a few hours. It probably should have a serial number on it. I guess it depends on how much you desire a WWII finish (and there is much argument about what is correct) as to whether I would get another stock. A laminate with either no finish or linseed oil finish would be more correct, but that present stock is too pretty a stock to just let go to waste. You may be lucky and find someone in Europe who will trade a laminate for a nicely lacquered stock.
anttom	Not Original German & Not A Collectors Rifle	#14	[-]
Posts: 31 (12/26/08 12:25:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Your rifle finish was reblued completely. The stock had polyurethane applied to it after sanding the stock to make it shine. The bridge of the rifle has been drilled and tapped for some sort of aftermarket rear sight. In short I am sorry to say you bought the wrong rifle if you wanted an as issued German K98k. Because of what was done to the rifle it has no collector value at all, at least here in the USA. In Europe original German K98k rifles that have not been tampered with are few and far in between so you might be able to sell it and get your money back. I hope you did not pay a great deal of money for that rifle. The example you have is worth $200.00 - $300.00 US Dollars if sold here in the USA. You would be hard pressed even at that price to sell that rifle in that condition here in the USA.
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#15	[-]
Posts: 8 (12/26/08 13:26:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have decided to convert this one in a sniper rifle and search an unissued K98 in Germany´s Egun auctions... I always wanted an unissued rifle but if I´d have found it, never would pass thought my mind to drill it and tap for fitting a scope. Then I´m thinking in fitting a scope in this one since it is very accurate. I have been informed this one is a later russian captured that were sold in the 80´s, not the early RC since they have not scratched the numbers however milled parts with re-stamped numbers. Right now I have the barrel attached to the receiver in the gunsmith. He will solder the two tapped holes and then will blue all the part. I have found a complete bolt shroud, cocking piece, firing pin, safety, floorplate, trigger guard and complete rear sight, all from armorer spares and without serial number. I preffer blank parts than the crappy work from the russians... anyway it is not a collectible. I have found the right laminated stock from a guy in Netherlands (Thanks David for the contact!!) too and is in great shape!. Now comes my doubt. After reading some lines I think the right mount for a 1943 "BCD"would be the SSR mount as this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Scope...0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 I have also readed the high turret mount would be fine but I think it is much expensive, harder to fit in the closed one piece rings (specially if a Zeiss Zielvier 4X that can´t be dismantled to pass it thought). What do you think? Thanks in advance. Daniel
anttom	Claw Sniper	#16	[-]
Posts: 33 (12/26/08 14:45:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The bcd 43 was not issued as a SSR Type3 sniper rifle. They used byf and ce coded rifles for the SSR Type3. One thing they have a great many of in Europe is claw mounted sniper scopes from the prewar period right up to the Cold War 1950's. I would look on Ebay for a claw mounted scope that includes the bases. The German's at the field level made claw sniper rifles out of any code. They did this a great deal in 1943 as factory issued SSR and Low and High Turret rifles were in short supply. There are two types of claw snipers. The Double Claw sniper rifle fielded mostly by the SS where the claws were both mounted on the tube. The second type of claw sniper is the Objective Mount sniper where the front claw was soldered to the scope's front objective and set back further on the rifle. You will need a competent gunsmith to solder then drill and tap the bases to the receiver and bridge. That is my suggestion for a correct use of your bcd 43.
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#17	[-]
Posts: 9 (12/27/08 01:28:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Then they never used the BCD as sniper rifle, right? Since the rifle is not collectible and have lot of parts mismatched maybe I´d consider any kind of mount. It is a possibility, do you think? I think I´ll not do anything keeping it "original" with the claw mount if in the other side it has no marked parts. Any of you have tried to use an ammo clip with a scope? I assume I must load one per one, right?
anttom	BCD 44 & 45 Used As Long Side Rail Sniper	#18	[-]
Posts: 34 (12/27/08 05:30:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The bcd was used late in the war as a Long Side Rail Sniper. You would use a bcd 44 or bcd 45 for a reproduction LSR sniper.
danielnadal.clarksclassicfl...		#19	[-]
Posts: 10 (01/01/09 16:09:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Did the "bcd 43" was also fitted with the LSR mount?

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